“Joe, as we all know, was a really talented kid, multi-sport star athlete,” Gardenhire said. The only glaring difference is that Joey Votto was originally drafted as a catcher, not a first baseman. Of course, the grade cement on teenagers isn’t quite as dry and that’s even more so for prep amateurs, but the grades given to Veen show the exact type of prospect he could be. (please forgive the visual format, it’s a bit crude. Also you may see Fangraphs team and Fangraphs. I mean, other than Doryss Paulino at #2 there (who was a decent prospect in his own right) this list is pretty dang good. He scored a 50 on the MLB scale which is right around “Average”, and his elite bat certainly does make up for it. You might be able to make the argument here that getting a player with the same tool se as Martin but getting him at 4th/5th/6th instead of 1st/2nd overall is a nice get. And no, the hard-throwing Turnbull doesn’t let up on his mid-90s fastball. As a freshman at ASU, Torkelson immediately made an impact, blasting 25 home runs and providing a.320/.440/.743 slashline and a 1.182 OPS across 55 games. I don’t know! “Anytime I go home in the offseason, I'll throw to him. Just go out and have fun and play. After seeing what Torkelson can do at the plate, he is one of the “MVP caliber” players in this MLB Draft. I don’t have that data for every player for every year (same with age; another major consideration) so you’ll have to make the mental adjustment when comparing a 50 grade fielding OF with a 50 grade fielding SS. “I like him. What lessons can the Royals learn from this year’s post-season contenders? So if we want Joe Smith’s comparables, we use Joe Smith’s hit tool as the “average” instead of the average of all the hit tools in the database. Gardenhire was in his third season as Twins manager when Mauer made his Major League debut on Opening Day in 2004. He’s now played for four MLB teams and just signed a deal with an NPB team. As usual, the injury bug bit him like many pitchers before and he’s been just completely MIA over the years. Most first baseman aren’t usually known for their glovework, but more for their bat. He's not usually in full gear, but I'm throwing flat grounds to him all the time.”. When Mauer retired after the 2018 season, Gardenhire made the trip to Minneapolis to attend his announcement. Torkelson really impressed scouts after his freshman year performance, where he hit .320/.440/.743 with 25 homers. He was a great quarterback and basketball, he set everything. 1 overall pick Torkelson puts on show in BP. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. However, Martin hit in the SEC while Gonzales hit in the WAC, so the stats are more solid with Martin. Tork’s probably going to have a little bit more of that than Joe did, but I think from what I’ve seen -- and I’ve only talked to him one time out on the field so far -- he seems like he’s been there and done it, I’ll just tell you that. He's been on the receiving end of some fun pitches for sure. Their player-manager relationship continued for a decade. “He's never said [to let up] the whole time. Turnbull's dad aids in tuneup; Policelli impresses, Notes: Gardy sees a bit of Mauer in Torkelson, No. Embed from Getty Imageswindow.gie=window.gie||function(c){(gie.q=gie.q||[]).push(c)};gie(function(){gie.widgets.load({id:'Tdd1j1nkRwdPIP5HQof6cw',sig:'tgUvDkbVJ1TtddrXavZLRlBpdHnQ9702f0UVD9SrQaE=',w:'594px',h:'424px',items:'1147886108',caption: true ,tld:'com',is360: false })}); Your email address will not be published. MLB Pipeline is more optimistic on his changeup progression than FanGraphs but the average is probably fair to use there and the same but in reverse for his slider. A veritable who’s who of well hyped teenage prospects. Read Beck's Blog and follow him on Twitter @beckjason. By choosing I Accept, you consent to our use of cookies and other tracking technologies. Votto is quite the comparison, as he is one of the elite on-base guys in baseball, and during his prime, he was regularly a guy who amassed 60+ EBH. Salvador Perez a finalist for Players Choice Comeback Player of the Year, Questions for the Royals going into this off-season. 1 overall pick Torkelson puts on show in BP, Fulmer looking physically prepared for restart. The top three guys were acquired by their respective teams as teenagers and not as a polished college guy like Hancock. “I was trying to get a loan,” Gardenhire deadpanned, “see what he had.” If you study the Tigers’ minor league system, the Torkelson pick makes even more sense. Tyler Austin - the closest comp - is an example people often use to point that Yankees prospects are overrated (they aren’t) but he was hurt a lot and jerked around by the Yankees a bit. Alvarez is a 1B only whereas Torkelson can play the outfield a bit even if 1B is his likely destination. I just wanted to reassure him. There are some good names on this list: Corey Seager, Franklin Barreto, Keston Hiura, Juan Soto but three of them were younger than Martin, so maybe Hiura is the closer comp, even if the concern for Hiura’s defense isn’t really one for Martin. Eddie Rosario is an above average player, even with flaws in his plate discipline. In comparison, Torkelson is a prodigious power hitter. Jim Turnbull went to Dick’s Sporting Goods, bought catcher’s gear and squatted behind the plate for his son. “I mean, he could do anything he wanted. Some people would also say that his fielding is a “weakness”, but in reality, it’s right on par for an MLB first baseman. He was one of those local kids that just had it all, and he handled it very, very well; very easygoing kid. — Spencer Torkelson (@spennyt) July 4, 2020. For most of the past month, the Tigers have steered clear of drawing comparisons for Spencer Torkelson. Kopech was pretty well hyped (and part of the Red Sox package for Chris Sale) but was pretty shaky in his brief MLB stint and is recovering from Tommy John. Hey dad, wanna have a catch? He just hit 31 homers as a 22 year old and should improve on the .315 OBP. Spencer Torkelson offers a similar profile with an even more impressive track record of collegiate success. Judge strikes … Lesky’s Notes: There really is a lot of pitching in this organization. His ability to work counts and control at-bats leads to him being able to drive his pitch. Major reminder: I’m going to post the comparable players with no consideration for which position they play, so keep that in mind. Brady Policelli went to Spring Training five months ago as an extra catcher, but he made an impression in Spring Training with his positional versatility. We’re happy to have him, excited to have him. The only thing keeping him from being a true star is his fielding/DH-ing. And he did that pretty good. DETROIT -- Credit Tigers manager Ron Gardenhire for his words of wisdom for Spencer Torkelson to try to loosen up the top overall Draft pick on his first pro workout Saturday at Comerica Park. It’s a lot bigger thing now than it was back then, a lot more media, the whole package. Royals Rumblings - News for October 16, 2020. Spencer Torkelson will fit right in because of those two things. Torkelson hits the ball very well. Next is Pavin Smith, another college bat who went early (to Arizona at 7th overall) but was never in the conversation for 1.1. Unlike Torkelson, Mauer had the added pressure of being a hometown hero when the Twins drafted him in 2001, and a two-sport athlete who was recruited to play quarterback at Florida State. He could’ve played college football, and who knows where he [would’ve] went from there. Gardenhire compared him to Chris Herrmann, whom he managed in Minnesota. Really weird list. In 2019, the slugging first baseman hit .351/.446/.707 with 17 doubles and 23 homers. Required fields are marked *. Royals Rumblings - News for October 15, 2020, Salary estimates for arbitration-eligible Royals players. “Those guys are really important,” Gardenhire said. At 6’1 220 lbs, he is a force to be reckoned with at the plate. “Polly can play just about anywhere, and he made good progress in Spring Training, put some really good at-bats out there, and we moved him around a little bit. Joe made time for everybody and was a class act, the whole package. Woah, a Lou Bob comp right off the bat? “Normally when I throw to him, I'm full go,” he said. To learn more or opt-out, read our Cookie Policy. It was much of the same for Spencer the following year, once again putting up gaudy numbers in dominating fashion. Players like Cody Bellinger, Juan Soto, and Ronald Acuna Jr. haven’t even hit 25 yet. Players like Prince Fielder, Miguel Cabrera, and a few others come to mind when talking about guys that were average fielders. At 6’1 220 lbs, he is a force to be reckoned with at the plate. When building a comparable based off this method, instead of using the average of all the values we are subbing in the the criteria of the player we are trying to find the comparison to. Those guys are really important, especially when you have a limited roster. The 6'2", 215-pound slugger has a similar build to … Herrmann played the corner-outfield spots, first base and catcher with the Twins. The young arms are impressing, so maybe an older arm moves? “I was trying to get a loan,” Gardenhire deadpanned, “see what he had.”. It requires three steps: 1) Calculate the average value for one criteria (such as the players hit tool grade), 2) Calculate the standard deviation for the same criteria (all hit tool grades), 3) Subtract the value you want to compare to the average from the average and then divided by the standard deviation. That’s got to be good, right? Why is Esky riding a hippo? This is a good fit in the sense that Whitley and Hancock are well rounded, but here is hoping for a smoother path to the majors for Emerson. Unfortunately for him, he’s no Rickey Henderson on the basepaths. I’ve always liked him since I saw him the first day, because he’s a real athletic kid, he’s game-on, and he works his tail off. The math isn’t really important here, you just need to know we are trying to find players whose tools are the closest overall to the player we are trying to find a comparison for. His powerful approach coupled with his ability to get on base would remind you of Joey Votto of the Cincinnati Reds. Learn how your comment data is processed. • No. Just take it easy, relax and enjoy the game of baseball like you have.”. Al Avila declined that question -- in a national interview on ESPN -- … Jim Turnbull went to Dick’s Sporting Goods, bought catcher’s gear and squatted behind the plate for his son. I’ve even gone back through some top 100 lists and grabbed grades for players dating back to 2013 (though I could go back further but just haven’t yet - it’s a very manual process). Main Image In 2020, before losing the season to the COVID-19 pandemic, Torkelson was hitting .340/.598/.780 with four doubles and six homers through 17 games. Your email address will not be published. MLB Player Comparison There’s something about Torkelson’s plate approach that screams “elite plate presence”. Torkelson has a pretty great outcome for his closest comp: Yordan Alvarez, the AL Rookie of the Year. He'll wear one in the shins if you ask him to.”. At some point I’ll go back and add MLB Pipeline are their site is really easy to find older lists. Over the past few years I’ve either scraped together or collected as they came in as many tool grades given to prospects over the years. • Fulmer looking physically prepared for restart, “He's caught me my whole life,” Spencer Turnbull said Sunday. While he’s not slow as molasses, he’s not fast as lightning either. He handled himself pretty well. Those three sites have been the most ubiquitous for grades and their approach and staff have for the most part remained steady (FanGraphs has mostly been in the hands of Kiley McDaniel and/or Eric Longenhagen in some form). “And in talking with Tork, it seems like he’s already been through a little bit of the gamut. Alvarez was loved by the scouting community as a freak of nature who possessed amazing raw stuff with still good projection on it with command. One tool can be a good bit off (say: a 40 hit tool vs a 55) but if the others are close, then it will still give us a low z-score. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Pretty good list of college guys with great secondary pitches (Rodon, Puk, JBB, Manoah, Beck) but also I think all of them other than Manoah have had significant injuries (which can be said of most pitchers to be fair).

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